Farewell for Now, but Not for Long

The final Thinking CAP podcast revisits Daniella and Ed's discussion with AFSCME President Lee Saunders about the labor movement

Like with any good project, it takes a team to reach the finish line. For two seasons, the Center for American Progress has published this weekly podcast in hopes of encouraging its listeners to think about the world a little differently and sharing perspectives that can help foster a more inclusive society. From former producer Sally Tucker and original hosts Michele Jawando and Igor Volsky to supervising producer Rachel Rosen, season two producer Kyle Epstein, and researcher Chris Ford, making this podcast has been an exceptional ride. This week, we bring this part of the journey to a close by revisiting an interview Daniella and Ed recorded with American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME) President Lee Saunders, in which he discussed the state of the labor movement in the United States.

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Daniella Gibbs Léger is the executive vice president for Communications and Strategy at the Center for American Progress. Ed Chung is the vice president for Criminal Justice Reform at the Center. Chris Ford is the broadcast coordinator at the Center.

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Daniella Gibbs Léger

Executive Vice President, Communications and Strategy


Ed Chung

Senior Fellow

Chris Ford

Broadcast Manager